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The 1939 Register

Mike said:
Yes but the information we are taking isn't what they are selling. We are just taking a code that makes searching easier. We still have to pay for the data.
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I'm coming rather late to this thread but do agree with Mike and, no, it's not like shoplifting - more like tasting the promotional free samples before deciding whether or not to buy. Many of us have used the Ref numbers in Advanced Search to extract more (free) information from the (free) Previews because we quite properly thought FMP had intentionally provided that very explicit functionality for just that type of searching, so we were not exploiting any loopholes. If that is not what FMP intended then they got something wromg in the programming and/or underestimated the ability of their core market of family historians to use a simple interface before deciding not to buy.

Either way, they first suppressed the Ref numbers to constrain our searching, so we used the URLs instead, but they have now gone further and encrypted the URLs. The old-style URLs still work but cannot be deduced from the new-style gobblydegook. A geeky way of extracting the Ref code has been noted (as long as it remains available) but the Advanced Search offers yet another explicit option of searching for all other open persons in the same household as one named person that we have found - unless FMP decide to cripple that functionality as well. I'm wondering if it really is about sales or whether FMP are trying to close a vulnerability that the Piece and Item numbers might, in the wrong hands, be used to hack into the Register pages and/or details of closed records, the ramifications of which would be very significant indeed.

I'm sure many purchasers are pleased with their findings while for many of us the 1939 Register doesn't live up to the hype. My own experience is that most household Previews are as I expected them to be, so I need not buy. But it can be a satisfyingly challenging exercise. I used the gender, marital and DOB filters in Advanced Search to confirm that a person transcribed as ~??? was my grandmother, so did not buy. And I used similar filters to locate a relative whose married name had been badly mistranscribed; it was sufficient to know who she was living with and the associated closed record is probably her infant child who will not be opened in my lifetime, so again I did not buy.

Peter suggested in post #10 that FMP might be seeking to recover its investment from the general public rather than family historians. He might be right. FMP have just junk-mailed my town with postcards asking "Who lived in your house on the eve of war? Your town in 1939" but have totally missed the fact that over 75% of today's town did not exist in the pre-war village, and have compounded that ignorance by using a picture of a very modern "landmark" building on the Marina (aka the now-demolished power station that the Germans never bombed because it was their "landmark" for turning right to attack Bristol).
 
MartinB said:
My own experience is that most household Previews are as I expected them to be, so I need not buy.
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A somewhat short-sighted approach - most of the information in the register doesn't appear in the preview.

I don't think there has been a single household so far where I didn't learn something new about my extended family - I even learned things I didn't know about my mum and dad. Not only have I been able to fill in numerous gaps in my knowledge of the relatives who were already on my tree, I've been able to add dozens of new relatives by using the information I've gleaned (especially the changes of surname after 1939). Many of those new cousins are still alive, which makes them potential sources of even more information, photographs.... and DNA samples!

I know it's expensive to view the register, but certificates cost even more - and you're much more likely to order the wrong certificate than you are to view the wrong household in 1939. My one regret is that the register wasn't available online a few years ago, because I would have loved to share my findings with family members who are now no longer alive.
 
I had an address search yesterday for the house of my parents first marital home. They married in June 1941 and as far as I can tell from maps of that era, the house was not there in 1938. So the 1939 address search revealed that the houses existed then and besides the the name of the family then living at number 13, I found some neighbours that I recall from the early 1950s. I was 9 years old when we moved from Manchester to Macclesfield in Cheshire; quite amazing that I recalled the names of the neighbours which has triggered many childhood memories.
 
emjay said:
I found some neighbours that I recall from the early 1950s.
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Yes I had quite a bit of fun second guessing the names of neighbours recalled all these years later. The interesting thing was we did not move in our Birmingham Municipal House until 1946 (we had been rehoused during the war in an Old People's bungalow after our house had been destroyed in the bombing) so in essence I was seeing who lived in the row (6 houses set back with a green in front and we lived at the second house from the left as viewed from the street) in 1939.

Not too surprisingly the neighbours left and right were the same names as I recall still being there in 1946 and even checking across the street I could immediately conjure up faces from surnames. I was 6 going on 7 when we moved in and Mom was heavily pregnant and my youngest sister was born at home in 1946. A neighbour's daughter was assigned to take me and my 4 year old sister for a walk during the event whilst her Mother was on hand to assist the midwife.

I could recall all the names and visualise not only the parents (as they were to me) but especially their children, most of whom were much older than us. It was a time when neighbours knew neighbours, and if anyone died there would be a door-to-door collection and for a birth, someone would bake a cake. Within 30 minutes of any event of note at any house in the road, everyone would be in the know.
 
Bob Spiers said:
I recently watched a short FMP video where (unless I misinterpreted what I saw) they showed a brief glimpse of the Registers being optically scanned by a stick OCR device (a bit like a single lens lorgnette) across the pages, line by line. .
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Hi Bob, we have been away on holiday, so I am just catching up with everyone's thoughts about the 1939 register before I venture forth to search. I watched the video on FMP and thought that the tool they were using was a small iron to smooth out the creases in the paper, so making it easier to scan. Please forgive me if this has been covered later on in this post as I am only on page 2 of 8.
 
So quite a mixed reaction to the 1939 register, I have read all 8 pages of comments, thank you everyone. This afternoon I will have a look at it and see what I can find, hope that I will be :) and not :( or :mad: or :confused:.
 
Heather said:
Hi Bob, we have been away on holiday, so I am just catching up with everyone's thoughts about the 1939 register before I venture forth to search. I watched the video on FMP and thought that the tool they were using was a small iron to smooth out the creases in the paper, so making it easier to scan. Please forgive me if this has been covered later on in this post as I am only on page 2 of 8.
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Heather in the time interval I had almost forgotten the posting never mind the video content. However, from memory it seemed to me like an portable optical scanner -whether or not using OCR to convert to text (which as handwriting Peter thought unlikely and I now tend to agree) being another matter - but your observation that they may well have been ...'dashing away with the smoothing iron' ... could be equally plausible.
 
There is an offer at Findmypast for those who want to "dip their toe into the water" - buy 60 credits, enough for a single household, for £4.99

When you use the link above you'll also be supporting LostCousins (provided you haven't disabled tracking in your browser, either directly or by installing an adblocking extension).

But if, like me, you want to explore the outer reaches of your family tree (because that's where you're most likely to make discoveries) it's cheaper to buy 900 credits (15 households at a time). If that is your plan, don't waste your first 60 credits on a household where you're likely to know most of what it says - choose one that is more representative.
 
I searched the 1939 Register to try to uncover relatives of someone I was looking for. In the preview I quickly discovered that his mother had an unusual name. I believe I have since put together a consistent family tree and believe the individual I was looking for may still be alive (albeit living under an alias).
But the problem is:
If he is still alive, his record in the 1939 Register should still be officially closed. So I should not have been able to find an entry in the 1939 Register which enabled me to piece together the family tree.
 
Jean999 said:
I searched the 1939 Register to try to uncover relatives of someone I was looking for. In the preview I quickly discovered that his mother had an unusual name. I believe I have since put together a consistent family tree and believe the individual I was looking for may still be alive (albeit living under an alias).
But the problem is:
If he is still alive, his record in the 1939 Register should still be officially closed. So I should not have been able to find an entry in the 1939 Register which enabled me to piece together the family tree.
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If the individual was born more than 100 years their record will be open, even if they are still alive. If they were born more recently their record will only be open if they birth year is shown incorrectly, or if they are shown as deceased.

Of course, the NHS did sometimes makes mistakes.....
 
peter said:
If the individual was born more than 100 years their record will be open, even if they are still alive. If they were born more recently their record will only be open if they birth year is shown incorrectly, or if they are shown as deceased.

Of course, the NHS did sometimes makes mistakes.....
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The individual is shown as born in 1927 (which is correct).

My dilemma is that if the individual is really dead, my reconstructed family tree is wrong. In which case I would not want to pay to open the record......
 
I well recall an occasion many years ago and still fairly new to family history research when someone suggested I had taken a wrong turn accepting a wrong ancestral line, and gave proof this was so. I was loathe to accept the facts presented because it went against what I believed and with which I was comfortable. But the thought the other person might be right hung heavy also and so I back-tracked and checked it out and sure enough, found I had indeed incorporated the wrong ancestor. It took a long time to put right, involved me in quite a few mea culpa apologies with new contacts, before I was finally on the right track. The moral of the story is always check out facts even if they run contrary to what you believe; the truth will out eventually.
 
Dear Mary

There is a lot of truth in what you say and I think my "agree" doesn't do you justice.

At the moment my Swiss Credit Card Issuers are denying FMP Access to payment.

I assume that the new "safe payment" issues are responsible as I tried to buy credits for the 1939 Register and access was denied.

However, access was also denied by my Swiss Card Issuers when my monthly world subscription came up for renewal. For more than 12 months I have renewed it via FMP UK as I have a better exchange rate.

The last renewal however was however carried out by the US Site but luckily my cautious Swiss Card Issuers again denied Access. I guess FMP UK thought they were being over clever!

I wrote to them saying that I lived in Europe and would only do transactions with UK.

They replied, telling me how to do this and that I must ensure that I renewed though UK!!! FMP UK has been debiting my credit card for over 12 months!!! The usual warning was issued that I should check out my credit card details although they have been debiting my card for over 12 months.

I am afraid I lost my temper and told them that when they had come to their senses, I might renew my subscription.

I have read numerous posts about dissatisfied customers receiving answers to their questions that have no bearing on the matter on hand.

I am about to take a back seat and wait until things improve - if they ever do.
 
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