Stupid question - probably

[sunflower]

Not sure if I am being too simplistic in hoping that this question is valid.

I have a match with someone at 96.2cMs over 5 segments which means that we share 2 x great grandparents or maybe 3 x ggps.

I have researched both trees very carefully and have them both going at least 6 generations back. so is it too simple to be able to see which names are in both trees to give an idea where we match. I can't see any overlap on the side I think it is but maybe it is on the maternal side of the family but the question is still the same.

Maybe there is an unknown parent in there that skews that reasoning.

Others opinions would help. Thanks

 

[uncle024]

You say

I think it is but maybe it is on the maternal side of the family

. which seem to indicate that Ancestry is not yet showing DNA matches by Parent. Is your tree linked to your DNA matches? If so have you got matches with known people on your maternal/ paternal lines. Just a thought.

 

[sunflower]

You say . which seem to indicate that Ancestry is not yet showing DNA matches by Parent. Is your tree linked to your DNA matches? If so have you got matches with known people on your maternal/ paternal lines. Just a thought.

Sorry pressed the wrong button so got the whole quote.
All the matches are on My Heritage for this person and they don't differentiate between parents.

However I have a match with a 1st cousin's daughter on MH who is a cousin of my half first cousin. I have recently found that I, my two sisters and brother have a different father to the one who brought us up and these matches are on the paternal side. My tree on Ancestry is my maternal one with the wrong father as that is what I have built up.

I have one for my genetic father's line and I have linked it to my sister's dna results and there are a few that I have matched with the tree of the person we match with on My Heritage. I have not put that one in the public domain as I built it in my matches name.

When this match was first discovered, it was on Ancestry as well but the manager of that tree deleted it but it is on MH so I still have access to it but MH is not as useful as Ancestry. Several matches on MH I have linked to my genetic paternal side but I have not yet been able to link the two trees together. This is why I asked the question in the first place. I hope all that makes sense.

 

[peter]

My tree on Ancestry is my maternal one with the wrong father as that is what I have built up.

You can have as many Ancestry trees as you like, but the one attached to your DNA results should show your genetic ancestors (to the best of your knowledge and belief). Otherwise you're not only making it more difficult for yourself, you're making it far more difficult for your cousins.

 

[sunflower]

I realise that Peter, which is why I attached my maternal tree to me, as it was before I found out about my genetic paternal family but added the genetic tree to my sister. I realise also that we may have different matches but felt sure between the two trees and the 3 accounts, I would be able to find connections. I manage 2 sisters and a half brother's dna accounts so between them, I can differentiate between the family lines. I have connected many others to both family lines but it is a whole raft of matches all with the same line that I cannot connect to my genetic tree, as that is where the connection is.

Something I have wondered and you may be able to tell me. Can I attach more than one tree to an Ancestry account?

Thanks for your input.

 

[canadianbeth]

I have more than one tree at Ancestry. However, only my main one is attached to my DNA results. I have a full one with both mine and my husband, as well as one with just my direct ancestors and one with his.

Also, my tree had the wrong paternal grandfather for a very long time, due to false information that my grandmother told my Dad, which of course had that branch completely empty. Since Peter told me that children at that time were registered with the mother's name, I have changed my Dad's name and now have many names in that branch.

 

[sunflower]

I too have many trees on Ancestry but as I said just one which was started 20 years ago or more so had the wrong paternal line on it but as I am still building up my maternal line have left it attached to me. I then put our genetic line on my sister's account, so just one on each account. I could change it and put the old both sides tree to my half brother and add the genetic tree to me but I don't see the point as most of my matches are duplicated with one or the other of my sisters. This is why I asked could I have two trees on one account. Logic tells me it is not possible.

My original question was whether the 2 or 3 x great grandparents names on either of our family trees would match with others that I could find no connection to but had reasonably strong dna links with. I've come to the conclusion that there must have been a lot of missing genetic fathers back then so the paper records do not match with the dna records.

With regard to your grandfather, could you not look at his birth registration to see the mother's maiden name for confirmation.

 

[canadianbeth]

With regard to your grandfather, could you not look at his birth registration to see the mother's maiden name for confirmation.

My Dad's was registered with his mother's name, father unknown. She had three children, all with different fathers. She married a WW1 soldier from Canada and emigrated here to Canada with the youngest baby; After my Dad and Aunt separately emigrated to Canada, she told them their father was George Roberts, and that is the name he used the rest of his life, and what I put on my tree, with no success. Once I changed his name to Joyce, I had a DNA match to a 2nd cousin and was able to work back to my probable paternal great-grandfather. I have many matches now to my Joyce grandmother.

I am wondering if the Roberts man was my youngest aunt's father, possibly also a Canadian and killed during the war. None of her children have done DNA tests and I only have communication with a 1st cousin; she visited us last year.

 

[sunflower]

My experience was similar in that I had no matches on my paternal side yet a good verified coverage of paper records. When I saw so many obvious matches that all belonged to the same family, it was relatively easy to work it out as it was a family name I knew and had grown up with The hardest part was believing what I was seeing and as one by one more of us matched this family it was the shock of what had obviously gone on under my father's nose. It was not a good find.

That's a shame you have no dna on your grandfather's side to confirm anything positive but I hope you can persuade your 1st cousin to take one. Best of luck.

 

[peter]

I too have many trees on Ancestry but as I said just one which was started 20 years ago or more so had the wrong paternal line on it but as I am still building up my maternal line have left it attached to me. I then put our genetic line on my sister's account, so just one on each account. I could change it and put the old both sides tree to my half brother and add the genetic tree to me but I don't see the point as most of my matches are duplicated with one or the other of my sisters. This is why I asked could I have two trees on one account. Logic tells me it is not possible.

There is, of course, some overlap between your matches and your sisters' matches but each of you will have thousands of matches that the others don't share - see the latest newsletter. Unless you attach the correct tree to ALL of the tests you manage (including your brother's test, if he has tested) you are NOT going to get the best results. As the old saying goes, "If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing well."

Trees attached to DNA tests only need to include direct ancestors for Ancestry to do their wizardry, and they don't need to be public (though it obviously makes things simpler for your DNA matches if they are). You can, of course, have other trees which are not attached to your DNA results, but any trees which include information which you now know to be incorrect should be private and non-searchable.

The question which you haven't asked, but probably should, is "What is the easiest way to combine the trees I already have to create a single tree with the correct information?". The answer will depend on what family tree programs you use, so be sure to include that information.